More Schoenberg today. A lot of fun to read. People say he was nasty, but I don't see it--he's just brutally honest. The most vituperative I've read yet was his notes on Stravinsky's Oedipus Rex, comments he apparently wrote down as he listened to it, or shortly thereafter. But afterwards he writes in an apology: "I sometimes lose myself--one should not rely on such superficial reactions, and I'm sorry... but seriously, Oedipus sucks." That's the gist of it.
A lot of what turns people off of Schoenberg isn't the atonality or serialism (though they sometimes mistakenly believe it is), but rather his rapid development of ideas. Schoenberg completely recognizes this, and doesn't apologize. "It's just my style," he essentially says. Another composer could stamp out a theme, even a completely dodecaphonic one, and repeat it a few times essentially unaltered, to let it sink in and people would probably find it much more palatable.
Schoenberg ain't about this. He gives it to you once as is. If he repeats, he'll vary it. You're never going to get it verbatim again. This taxes your memory more. You've got to remember it immediately, because you don't get a second chance.
At the same time, he doesn't criticize composers who are more repetitive (Russians, for instance, are fond of repeating melodies without development): he simply believes people have to be true to their inspirations, and his tend to be less forgiving of the listener.
[9:46:04 PM] Scott says: Dude, do not take shit from Russia.
[9:46:12 PM] Scott says: What is this? 1960?
[9:46:34 PM] Jay Goodman Tamboli says: Seriously. No one threatens us militarily. Who's he kidding?
[9:46:57 PM] Scott says: Maybe Presidents have to pretend to be scared, just to stroke their egos.
[9:47:36 PM] Jay Goodman Tamboli says: http://www.globalissues.org/i/military/country-distribution-2005.png
[9:47:51 PM] Jay Goodman Tamboli says: BRING IT ON, BITCH
[9:48:06 PM] Scott says: U S A! U S A!
[9:48:15 PM] Scott says: You Ess Eh!
[9:48:49 PM] Jay Goodman Tamboli says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States#Military_spending_relative_to_other_countries
[9:49:12 PM] Jay Goodman Tamboli says: Look how long we are!
[9:49:17 PM] Scott says: I have never been so proud of my country.
[9:49:24 PM] Scott says: And that's not a substitute for anything!
[9:49:42 PM] Jay Goodman Tamboli says: Not at all.